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Katty Kay

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The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

So he has to make sure he has something there that reminds Americans in perpetuity of how great he was.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

And that's what this is about.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

I think that's right.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

The Hegel comparison is that specifically those great men of history were people who disrupted things and who maybe even their populations didn't appreciate in the moment.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

So they were disruptors and aggressive and sometimes obnoxious.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

And people didn't necessarily appreciate their greatness at the time.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

And I'm not sure that Trump sees it quite that way, but Trump certainly likes the idea that you're going to smash things and then people will realize how great you are because you smashed a lot of stuff.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

I have American friends who go to Europe and they say they're Canadians because they don't want to admit that they're Americans at the moment.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

He's going to do a lot of what you said.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Much of it may well be undone, but there's some of the stuff that can't be undone, which is literally remaking America.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

If he builds the Arc de Trump, no one's going to knock it down.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

He's already knocked the ballroom down, so he's going to have to build something in its place.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

He's already ripping up the reflecting pool and painting it a kind of brilliant swimming pool blue that he thinks looks like a great American blue.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

If he paints the old executive building, which is where the vice president works from, it's going to be very difficult for somebody to rip all of that paint off and cost a lot of money.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

So some of this stuff, he's right.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

This is permanent and it will change the face of Washington, which is exactly the point of it.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

It does hurt America's brand around the world, and it is Trump, and I think this is why you see in the polls that this isn't playing well with Republicans, partly because they want him to focus on the job he was meant to do.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

A bit like when Barack Obama focused on healthcare reform in 2008, and actually voters said, no, we wanted you to focus on the legacy of 2008 financial crash and make us feel better financially.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Love healthcare idea, but this is not what we elected you to do.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

He's going to be in that position, not that he cares, his name's not on the ballot.