183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

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What are Donald Trump's options to end the Iran war?

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Katty Kay 1:21
Welcome to The Rest Is Politics U.S. with me, Katya Kay, in Washington, where we're missing the king, Anthony. The city is feeling less regal at the moment. But Donald Trump is trying to fix that, so we'll talk about that later.
Unknown 1:36
I feel like the king has got to be very happy with himself right now. I feel like that was quite triumphant.
Katty Kay 1:41
I heard via somebody that the palace is happy. Yes, so good. The king is happy. He's at home. Donald Trump is less happy. He's also at home, but trying to make Washington look a lot more regal. We're going to talk about that. First of all, we're going to talk about the war in Iran and the latest. A little bit of confusion this morning about who's shooting at who. And then in the second half, we're going to talk about Democrats and the Maine and Michigan Senate primaries, which show different sides of democratic populism at work, which is kind of interesting. But let's start with where we are this morning on Iran. There was some breaking news. I just came back from Morning Joe and there's some breaking news about Iranian ships, Iranians possibly firing on American ships and a UAE marked tanker and some confusion about what exactly happened.
Katty Kay 2:31
But I think we are in a moment where Donald Trump is stuck between war and peace. And he is trying to get out, but it's not clear that the Iranians are going to let him get out. And there is an assumption in the White House that economic desperation will make the Iranians come to the table and negotiate. And it's possible that that's the case. They are putting forward proposals that so far have been rejected. But there's also a possibility that I'm hearing from Iran experts, which is that economic desperation actually makes the Iranians lash out, which could lead to escalation. And I think what's interesting about what we saw today after Donald Trump had announced this operation freedom to try and get these tankers out of the Straits of Hormuz and liberate them so they can go back to their countries because they've been stuck there now for a couple of months.
Katty Kay 3:23
What we saw today was an indication of how quickly things can happen when you're in a war situation, which whatever the president says, America's in a war situation, and you don't quite know which way it's going to go. You can have unintended consequences. And it's possible that the warship was not struck. It's possible that these were warning shots fired by the Iranians. But it's possible that this carries on and we do get somebody being struck and then you get retaliation and then you get escalation. Meanwhile, gas prices going up, the president's approval ratings going down. Where is Donald Trump and where's his head this Monday morning, Anthony, do you think?
Anthony Scaramucci 3:59
I think he's waiting for something that crosses his field of vision that's instinctually a good idea. And I don't think he has it yet. So I don't think Trump is sitting there reading briefing books or he's doing anything but playing golf and working on arcs that day Trump and ballrooms and thinking what other things he's going to end up naming.

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