Katty Kay

Probably Vance and Rubio end up in the wood chipper.

But I think it's a slightly different reason.

I think it's because Trump is putting his own.

record into the wood chipper.

And if you are running as an heir to Trump, which either of these men will have to do unless they break with him spectacularly between now and 2028, which they're not going to do.

If you're running as an heir to Trump, if things are in 2028, anything like what they are today, which we don't know if there's two years to go, right?

It could be very different.

It could all be going swimmingly.

It's going to be difficult for a Republican to get elected, any Republican to get elected, but particularly one who is associated with Donald Trump.

Might do him a favor, actually.

Truth to power.

Truth to power.

Yeah, I mean, you've seen it in France, you've seen it in Italy, you've seen it in the UK, particularly around the war in Iran, where European populists who had been associating themselves with Donald Trump really don't like the war in Iran.

They're reading the room of their own people, and so they're distancing themselves.

Maloney had...

fallen over backwards to get close to Donald Trump and had done a very good job of it.

But she has the double whammy of his criticism of Iran and then his criticism of the Pope.

So I don't know, these congressional Republicans that are calling on the Trump administration to tone it down, on Donald Trump to tone it down when it comes to his criticisms of the Pope, they're not having much success because just this week,

Ahead of Rubio flying to the Vatican, Donald Trump goes on Hugh Hewitt's radio show and says, the Pope would rather talk about the fact that it's okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

I don't know about your understanding of the papacy, but my understanding of the papacy is that probably Pope Leo is not out there.