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Katty Kay

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The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

But it's possible that this carries on and we do get somebody being struck and then you get retaliation and then you get escalation.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Meanwhile, gas prices going up, the president's approval ratings going down.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Where is Donald Trump and where's his head this Monday morning, Anthony, do you think?

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

So will the UAE, by the way.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

I think those are the options.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Basically, this will end through negotiation or through escalation.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

That is the way that conflicts end.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Escalation, Donald Trump doesn't want, but I'm not ruling it off the table.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

I think there are still hawks, as you and I have said, in the administration and in the Pentagon who want this to continue.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

I was texting this morning with somebody who speaks to the president pretty regularly,

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

who said, you know, the tussle is actually between Vance and the Pentagon, but also between Vance and Rubio.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Rubio is more in the UAE camp, which is we have to make sure we finish this and can walk away with something that actually looks like victory and is not just a kind of piece of paper that says the Iranians aren't going to do something which they may well end up going to do.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

He's more kind of long-termist about this, that you can't leave a regime in place that is, whatever we do now, going to then still develop a nuclear weapon.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Or try to 10, 20 years down the line.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

So I think that is one option.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

The calling victory, that is clearly what Trump would like to do to be able to frame this as a victory.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

But that's where I think the events of this morning make it more complicated if he's going to carry on this Operation Freedom campaign.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

Shipping experts are already telling every reporter who will call them, we are not going to go through just because the president tells us it's okay to go through.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

We're not going to go through the straits because our ships are too expensive.

The Rest Is Politics: US
183. Trump Wants Out - But Iran Won’t Let Him

They're worth too much money for us.