Keir Starmer

Right.

So there are all these other questions, which is if Burnham steps down.

Does the Metropolitan Mayor become, you know, open to the whims of populism, to some, you know, a big reform beat?

Reform would stand a good chance.

And also, you're looking at...

Possibly.

I mean, I can't think of another example of it.

The person going for that safe seat would be basically saying, you are about to choose whether you want me as your prime minister.

We will have never seen a by-election like it.

Right, never seen a by-election.

The circus will be unbelievable.

So if you are Green Reform Tories...

you are going all out to stop this person because you don't want Labour to feel any more stable in position, right?

You don't want Burnham to be basically walking to number 10 and that's what it would be.

So how do they, do they coalesce around one single challenger?

Do they basically make it impossible for him to win that by-election?

I don't know, but I think there are, you know, if you're Starmer now, you're thinking any of these sort of perilous questions are worth playing for time.

I mean, just to go back to your comparison with Boris Johnson, I guess the point with Boris Johnson was he left no doubt in anyone's mind that he wanted to be prime minister.

I mean, what was it from the age of about four?

You know, I think...