Kelly Slater

Right.

And I did compare surfing to a drug, and I felt a little weird about saying that at a Disney convention or whatever.

But I was like, it really is.

Cold plunging my drug of choice.

Yeah, exactly.

But I think everyone has...

Everyone desires to feel deeply, but I think we all have our emotional reasons why we're scared of that with relationships and stuff like that.

And then with our life being so fast paced, you're not really connected.

Most people don't do something where they have those kinds of feelings very often.

And surfing, it's not hard to get that.

It's a rush, whether it's just the speed of the wave or you're riding nature.

You know, you're just riding wind energy that has really come from, you know, temperature variations that cause the wind to create in the first place.

You're really part of nature.

You know, you become part of this thing.

So there's always been this connection between...

you know, spirituality and music and surfing and rhythm and patterns and people who are kind of counterculture.

Timothy Leary was kind of a big part of the surf scene in Laguna Beach back in the day and stuff.

And so there's all these elements.

Timothy Leary, the comedian?

Sorry, did I get that wrong?