Kelvin Lockwood

So the bar for getting traction with a mobile app is really, really high.

People are conditioned to using Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, and using those apps at lightning speed.

So we need to kind of, we're getting there.

but we don't expect to take off until we've got something that is a comparable experience.

Yeah.

Well, I think if we've got a world-class mobile app experience and it doesn't take off, then we've missed the trip.

Yeah.

Okay.

We've got some projections, yeah.

I mean...

I'm trying to kind of, yeah, give this a time scale.

I guess, you know, by this time next year, we would want to be, we'd want a million users for sure.

Yeah, go for it.

My tip for something that's very practical would be How Google Works.

Mm-hmm.

I really like a guy called Sangeet Paul Chowdhury who writes about marketplaces and supply and demand of kind of Airbnb and Amazon.

He's recently released a book, which is very good.

But the thing that I'm reading right now is actually...

is a guy called Andrew Strauss, who's a cricketer.

And he was England's cricket captain, and now he's kind of like director of cricket.