Ken Coleman

I thought that was going to come out.

What do you think he would say?

What's the word?

I knew it.

I did too.

So the reason I've gone to this is because I actually think this is a 100% marriage conversation.

This is not a money conversation.

You guys, and you are different in that you said that you're the saver and he's the spender and Dave has talked about the natural.

But I actually think for you guys, you got to go below why...

Each of you is one of you is the spender, one of you is the saver.

And I think when you're attempting to adopt a value system like Ramsey Solutions, the baby steps are based on a value system, right?

And it's really hard for some people to get into that system.

It's easier for others, right?

OK, because Dave's got a very rigid plan.

Right.

No wiggle room.

A lot of black and white and people that aren't naturally black and white who aren't rigid and disciplined at times can have a harder time adopting it.

So we can't really solve this for you.

But other than I believe that I would start over.

I really believe that I would sit down with a therapist and not make this heavy with him.