Ken Covinsky

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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast · Loss of DEI Hurts Everyone: Farah Stockman, Ali Thomas, Ken Covinsky · 17 Apr 2025 podcast

So and I'm going to say this is sometimes posed as a tension.

And I'm going to ask you if it is a tension or should be a tension.

So the tension of, quote, DEI versus excellence so that.

There are some some who argue against the I say that, you know, they don't necessarily oppose some of the underlying missions, but everything should be about excellence.

So that, you know, I think about what you were talking about, Farah, with Title IX.

You think like, OK, Caitlin Clark, like DEI didn't make her talented or make her the best in the world.

But the fact that we know who she is has its origins in DEI.

And so Title IX eventually allowed her excellence to shine and be visible to all of us.

You know, so Jackie Robinson, maybe you could argue when Branch Ricci decided he was going to desegregate baseball.

You know, some would have called that a DEI initiative, but it was an initiative towards excellence.

He wanted the best in the world to be able to play the game.

You know, I'm thinking about like, you know, I think, Eric, you've served on our medical school admissions committee once.

So if you see a candidate, you know, who maybe has a lower grade point average and they worked 40 hours a week during college,

and they were the first in their family to go to school, like, isn't that excellence to recognize that somebody persevered against those odds and that means something maybe different from somebody who, you know, their parents paid all their way through college.

So, I mean, it's a question about, like, how do we...

The framing of this is a question of DEI versus excellence.

And how do you respond to that?

And how is there an avenue for for advocacy within that?

Well, I was, you know, I think Ali and Farah inspired me to change my answer.

And what I think, I mean, I would wage my wand and give people open license to say what's important to them and speak their mind.

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