Ken Foy

Jamie Gagan, who we featured quite a bit recently, he would be suspected of having played, within the wider system, an organisational role in this kind of activity.

But they actually signed, I think it's called a Memorandum of Understanding earlier this year, and it's really led to a much closer working relationship between the two agencies in relation to this problem.

Yeah, well, the particular video, Niall, it showed pretty chaotic scenes as a package that was delivered by a drone was caught on netting and eventually dropped down.

And you could see...

the human pyramid ended and there was, I don't know, up to 20 youngsters hovering around trying to get these drugs.

But unfortunately, these kind of scenes in that particular prison in Wheatfield, but also in many other prisons across the country,

is very common.

Like, drones being used to deliver contraband, and it's not just drugs, it can be weapons as well, of course.

And mobile phones.

And mobile phones as well.

It's a huge issue.

And Wheatfield itself, when we went on a visit there last Wednesday, it was, and on that particular day, there'd been 189 incidents of...

Drones being detected, delivering contraband.

So far this year, is it?

Yes, just in that one particular prison.

Well, yeah, even on that particular day we visited, there had been a drone drop earlier that morning before we came in.

And the prison governor was telling us on the Sunday before,

There'd been actually three different drone drops.

And he said a possible reason for that was on the Saturday day weather.

I think it was very windy, wasn't favorable for drones to be dropping the contraband in.