Ken Foy

And Wheatfield itself, when we went on a visit there last Wednesday, it was, and on that particular day, there'd been 189 incidents of...

Drones being detected, delivering contraband.

So far this year, is it?

Yes, just in that one particular prison.

Well, yeah, even on that particular day we visited, there had been a drone drop earlier that morning before we came in.

And the prison governor was telling us on the Sunday before,

There'd been actually three different drone drops.

And he said a possible reason for that was on the Saturday day weather.

I think it was very windy, wasn't favorable for drones to be dropping the contraband in.

But I suppose it just goes to show, I suppose there was a day without these drugs and other contraband being brought in.

So, you know, remarkably on one given day, there was three different detections.

Yeah, and that shows, I suppose, the level of organisation behind it.

So in one, I suppose, seizure that was shown to us, I think there was at least four different colours.

So that's for four different criminal organisations within the jail.

And that means there'd be serious consequences for somebody that's not part of the organisation to take those drugs, maybe as they're dispersed among the prison yard.

I suppose, as you know, as we've been covering it for years, anything to do with drugs like this at an organised level can lead to and does lead to an increase in violence, not just in prison, but on the streets.

And that's what's been seen in all our prisons.

There is an increase in violence because there's been an increase in drugs getting in.

That's particularly the case in Wheatfield as well.

There was another video which we obtained on our visit which showed a mass brawl involving well over 20 prisoners and where the belief of the senior prison staff believed that it's...