Ken Gamble

They made an enormous amount of money, but the brands all got together and they formed this group.

So that led to doing work with all the major brands in Australia and overseas brands and

And then that led into work for Microsoft, you know, counterfeit Windows 98 software, because that was flooding the market when the software packages started to come out.

Well, you started this move into online scams really early on in the early days of the internet.

What did you realise was going to be different about this kind of fraud once the internet and, you know, email was involved?

Well, it was an incredible platform for criminals because the internet opened up so much opportunity to be able to do things on a rapid basis, do things very fast and quickly.

You could communicate very quickly online.

You could set up fake websites so easily.

You could be anyone you want to be.

You can set up alias names.

You know, it was completely lawless.

And could do everything at scale, I guess, differently.

And that's what ended up happening in more recent years.

It upscaled to such a huge industrial scale.

you know, size that it's just unbelievable how big criminal activity has become on the internet.

But back in those days, it was the start of the internet boom, the start of the dot-com criminal boom.

It was piracy, movie piracy, counterfeiting, theft of intellectual property.

Email hacking, the old Nigerian prince scam started on email.

And one of the big problems in the early 90s was spam.

So when emails came out, we always started, we'd sit at our inbox and it'd be filled with spam.