Ken Hinkley

You know, unless the scoreboard's ticking, it seems to be a really challenging place to remain happy in, you know, and to be satisfied in some ways and to watch your people grow.

It's got a few challenges inside Carlton because it's never been able to quite rectify what that is.

So that's a big, big challenge for Graeme and for Rob to go into work.

But it's an achievable challenge.

But with that achievable challenge, you've got to be able to set course and

And you've got to be able to continuously improve, Gerard.

This is the challenge because Faggs went in and set course, rebuilt and said, okay, we're going to get better from here.

And his list build and his performance build mirrored each other.

He went from a slow start, not very many wins, to a few more wins, to all of a sudden starting to get competitive.

And then they became really competitive and they've stayed there since.

Since 2020 or 2019, they would have won the most games of football in the competition.

So that's when you can maintain this healthy, enjoyable growth mindset as a football culture.

But when it starts to bounce around a little bit, that gets tested all the time.

And I probably felt a little bit of that at different stages because we never ultimately got to a grand final.

We played in three prelim finals since 2020, I reckon it might have been.

And we were starting to get tested because we couldn't quite take that next step.

So your culture gets really stretched, really, really stretched when the performance doesn't continue to have incremental growth.

It's a bloody tough game to do incremental growth in every year and accept it.

Where's good enough versus what I want?

Where's good enough with what I want?