Ken Hoppe

We don't have to lease office space.

So we looked at it.

We said, let's prove out a model.

Let's control that.

Let's control the company.

Keith's former company, he grew from himself to 120 million in revenue.

Wow.

With zero funding.

I think the opportunity is big enough to we'll eventually take some VC funding.

Yeah, the beauty is it's a very profitable business.

So we rolled in, we had co-founded another company prior, a company called First DFX, and we rolled some of the money in.

So we probably only put in about 100 grand total.

So we have four full-time, and we have, with the advent of Fiverr and Upwork, we have on, you know, because we're a Google Cloud and Salesforce and Python company,

it's really easy to add and subtract a contractor.

So at the peak, when we were doing full-blown GCP development, platform development in GCP, Google Cloud, and full-blown development in Salesforce, we had 10 full-time.

Oh, 10 developers.

Yeah, at the peak.

I see.

And then we rolled off people as we hit milestones on the product.

We have six that are full time.