Ken Lawson

And it's almost like in a way to where he's letting Eric know, I think you're lying because you may be involved. So you saw something. And so then Eric starts feeding him what he wants to hear. And now the investigation is going in a way that's been slanted based on bad police work. See, you got a big case, right?

And it's almost like in a way to where he's letting Eric know, I think you're lying because you may be involved. So you saw something. And so then Eric starts feeding him what he wants to hear. And now the investigation is going in a way that's been slanted based on bad police work. See, you got a big case, right?

You got a young lady who was killed on Christmas Eve, right, in a very horrendous way. Now I need to be the hero. So you got all these detectives trying to solve the case, and they're not talking to each other. And so you got this detective who's different from the one who talked to Eric the first time going back and basically saying, hey, look, I saw that you was interviewed yesterday.

You got a young lady who was killed on Christmas Eve, right, in a very horrendous way. Now I need to be the hero. So you got all these detectives trying to solve the case, and they're not talking to each other. And so you got this detective who's different from the one who talked to Eric the first time going back and basically saying, hey, look, I saw that you was interviewed yesterday.

You got, right, trying to force him to give information. It's not that he's trying to make this story straight. He keeps forcing it. He keeps telling me. So when you go back to Police 101 and you're interviewing witnesses or even suspects, I mean, look at the way he's questioning Eric. Initially, Eric is saying, he's telling him, I didn't see anything. I didn't see what you're saying I saw.

You got, right, trying to force him to give information. It's not that he's trying to make this story straight. He keeps forcing it. He keeps telling me. So when you go back to Police 101 and you're interviewing witnesses or even suspects, I mean, look at the way he's questioning Eric. Initially, Eric is saying, he's telling him, I didn't see anything. I didn't see what you're saying I saw.

But he wants him to tell him more because right at that point, they need to solve it.

But he wants him to tell him more because right at that point, they need to solve it.

So Frank calls the police. And so when Frank initially tells his story, they really don't jump on it, because they got these other suspects out there where the evidence is pointing to. When those suspects take the fifth and don't want to give any statements and stuff like that, when that happens, they go back to Paul Lane, right?

So Frank calls the police. And so when Frank initially tells his story, they really don't jump on it, because they got these other suspects out there where the evidence is pointing to. When those suspects take the fifth and don't want to give any statements and stuff like that, when that happens, they go back to Paul Lane, right?

We're all dried up over here, and we're getting all these pressures to arrest somebody. What was that story, Frank, you was telling us a couple of weeks ago? And he wants things in exchange. Frank is, well, he's known as a liar, right? But he's not stupid. You know, if I'm going to give you a story, I want something in return. I mean, most inmates do.

We're all dried up over here, and we're getting all these pressures to arrest somebody. What was that story, Frank, you was telling us a couple of weeks ago? And he wants things in exchange. Frank is, well, he's known as a liar, right? But he's not stupid. You know, if I'm going to give you a story, I want something in return. I mean, most inmates do.

His family, yeah, filled up the courtroom. And what was odd is, it's a lot of times, you know, when you have someone charged with a serious crime, you know, some departments of public safety overflow the courtroom with deputies, right? Like, this is a scary person, right?

His family, yeah, filled up the courtroom. And what was odd is, it's a lot of times, you know, when you have someone charged with a serious crime, you know, some departments of public safety overflow the courtroom with deputies, right? Like, this is a scary person, right?

So when we first get there, I mean, they are extremely mean to the attorneys, very mean to one of our volunteer attorneys, very mean to the family members. These are the deputies, right? who believed, at least from my perception, believed that Ian was guilty. And the hearing, as you said, lasted all day, and they had to stay there. They, being the deputies, had to stay there all day.

So when we first get there, I mean, they are extremely mean to the attorneys, very mean to one of our volunteer attorneys, very mean to the family members. These are the deputies, right? who believed, at least from my perception, believed that Ian was guilty. And the hearing, as you said, lasted all day, and they had to stay there. They, being the deputies, had to stay there all day.

And you could see the more that they heard that evidence, the nicer they started becoming with the family members. The more they heard that evidence, right, the more human they seemed to become.

And you could see the more that they heard that evidence, the nicer they started becoming with the family members. The more they heard that evidence, right, the more human they seemed to become.

I think he knew that he was supposed to be coming back for a hearing. He didn't know that he was coming back so soon because he was in quarantine. The Department of Public Services has to fly out to get him and bring him back. And they were saying because of the COVID rules that he would have to stay in quarantine there.

I think he knew that he was supposed to be coming back for a hearing. He didn't know that he was coming back so soon because he was in quarantine. The Department of Public Services has to fly out to get him and bring him back. And they were saying because of the COVID rules that he would have to stay in quarantine there.