Ken Lawson

You were there as a witness. and help us get everybody off the hook. Now, Gonzalez also knows at this time, John, that there's a $25,000 reward, I believe, being offered from the Island family. He ain't mentioning that. I don't know what he told Pauline, but I don't think he would have told Pauline. So Frank calls the police.

You were there as a witness. and help us get everybody off the hook. Now, Gonzalez also knows at this time, John, that there's a $25,000 reward, I believe, being offered from the Island family. He ain't mentioning that. I don't know what he told Pauline, but I don't think he would have told Pauline. So Frank calls the police.

And so when Frank initially tells the story, they really don't jump on it because they got these other suspects out there where the evidence is pointing to. When no suspects take the fifth and don't want to give any statements and stuff like that, when that happens, they go back to Pauline, right? We're all dried up over here, and we're getting all these pressures to arrest somebody.

And so when Frank initially tells the story, they really don't jump on it because they got these other suspects out there where the evidence is pointing to. When no suspects take the fifth and don't want to give any statements and stuff like that, when that happens, they go back to Pauline, right? We're all dried up over here, and we're getting all these pressures to arrest somebody.

What was that story Frankie was telling us a couple of weeks ago? So now Frank is, and he wants things in exchange. Frank is just, well, he's known as a liar, right? But he's not stupid. You know, if I'm going to give you a story, I want something in return. I mean, most inmates do.

What was that story Frankie was telling us a couple of weeks ago? So now Frank is, and he wants things in exchange. Frank is just, well, he's known as a liar, right? But he's not stupid. You know, if I'm going to give you a story, I want something in return. I mean, most inmates do.

Like, when I came out, I was on parole, and so they provided services for me. You know, even though I had practiced law and all this other shit, man, they still was like, okay, here's how you get a bus pass. Here's how you get your security card. Here's a list of jobs for you to apply to. If you need to go to counseling, here's your counseling. When you're innocent, they just cut you loose, right?

Like, when I came out, I was on parole, and so they provided services for me. You know, even though I had practiced law and all this other shit, man, they still was like, okay, here's how you get a bus pass. Here's how you get your security card. Here's a list of jobs for you to apply to. If you need to go to counseling, here's your counseling. When you're innocent, they just cut you loose, right?

Hey, we're happy for you. Goodbye. Not a bus, you know, so, you know, you leave, there's a little bus fare, you know what I mean? Okay, how do I get home? When you're guilty, they take you to your front door or to your halfway house, you know what I mean?

Hey, we're happy for you. Goodbye. Not a bus, you know, so, you know, you leave, there's a little bus fare, you know what I mean? Okay, how do I get home? When you're guilty, they take you to your front door or to your halfway house, you know what I mean?

Well, that kind of started when Randy was a co-director. Randy put together for our Innocence Project a group of former prosecutors. And this is one of the cases the students presented. They were presenting actual cases, cases where we believe our client's actually innocent. They were presenting them to former prosecutors and get their feedback and stuff like that.

Well, that kind of started when Randy was a co-director. Randy put together for our Innocence Project a group of former prosecutors. And this is one of the cases the students presented. They were presenting actual cases, cases where we believe our client's actually innocent. They were presenting them to former prosecutors and get their feedback and stuff like that.

We had some guest students, about 100 students total in that class. Jenny Hinch, who used to run the Winesons Project, she found out that I used to practice criminal law, so she offered me a position, and she said, you can come and work as a clerk in the Innocence Project for like $12 an hour. As long as I don't go back to prison, I'll come and work for $12.

We had some guest students, about 100 students total in that class. Jenny Hinch, who used to run the Winesons Project, she found out that I used to practice criminal law, so she offered me a position, and she said, you can come and work as a clerk in the Innocence Project for like $12 an hour. As long as I don't go back to prison, I'll come and work for $12.

But I went in, and that's how I started, and that's when I met Ian. Ian was the... first Innocence Project client I talked to over the phone. And so it was interesting because he was in prison, I had just gotten out.

But I went in, and that's how I started, and that's when I met Ian. Ian was the... first Innocence Project client I talked to over the phone. And so it was interesting because he was in prison, I had just gotten out.

So Eric gets interviewed the first day by one particular cop. The next day, I believe, another detective comes out there. Look at how he interviews Eric. Eric is telling him I didn't see anything. And he just keeps pressing, like, you had to see something. And this is where you're talking about false confessions or misidentification stuff.

So Eric gets interviewed the first day by one particular cop. The next day, I believe, another detective comes out there. Look at how he interviews Eric. Eric is telling him I didn't see anything. And he just keeps pressing, like, you had to see something. And this is where you're talking about false confessions or misidentification stuff.

This is something that you want to look at and you can use to show people how a police detective asking leading questions in an intimidating way can get evidence that's wrong. Because you have to read that report. I mean, I use it to teach the students in class. Eric is telling him, you had to see something.

This is something that you want to look at and you can use to show people how a police detective asking leading questions in an intimidating way can get evidence that's wrong. Because you have to read that report. I mean, I use it to teach the students in class. Eric is telling him, you had to see something.