Ken Lawson

Somebody got to pay for this. And so that passion, that anger... can cloud a factual analysis. That was like, I think, either a medium. I mean, Frank was a huge dude, man. It should have been like when I was older, there was so much blood on you. But he should have just tried to put it on. He probably couldn't get it around his head, you know what I mean? If it don't fit, right?

Somebody got to pay for this. And so that passion, that anger... can cloud a factual analysis. That was like, I think, either a medium. I mean, Frank was a huge dude, man. It should have been like when I was older, there was so much blood on you. But he should have just tried to put it on. He probably couldn't get it around his head, you know what I mean? If it don't fit, right?

So his physical evidence is like, this guy doesn't wear a that-size T-shirt. I mean, huge guy. But that wasn't enough.

So his physical evidence is like, this guy doesn't wear a that-size T-shirt. I mean, huge guy. But that wasn't enough.

So his parents mortgaged their house and stuff like that and got him a very good paid attorney. And so what the prosecutor did was they gave him the witness list and used a lot of the attorney's former clients and said they're going to be witnesses. They never called him, right? So now that attorney has to recuse.

So his parents mortgaged their house and stuff like that and got him a very good paid attorney. And so what the prosecutor did was they gave him the witness list and used a lot of the attorney's former clients and said they're going to be witnesses. They never called him, right? So now that attorney has to recuse.

Well, by the time he recuses, he's done enough work to where he can't return, he's not returning the fee. So then they scrounge up more money, hire a second attorney. Prosecutor does it again.

Well, by the time he recuses, he's done enough work to where he can't return, he's not returning the fee. So then they scrounge up more money, hire a second attorney. Prosecutor does it again.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

So if you go back and look, you know, Ian's parents, one of the reasons why the Schweitzer's became targets is because the Schweitzer family lived near the Pauline family.

So if you go back and look, you know, Ian's parents, one of the reasons why the Schweitzer's became targets is because the Schweitzer family lived near the Pauline family.

And so they didn't like him. Now, at some point, the Gonzales and Pauline's half-brother and mother, they all got in trouble for cocaine, federal case. So John Gonzales calls up, you know, talks to Frank while Frank is in prison on another sex crime. In jail, I mean, not prison. And said, hey, I got an idea, man.

And so they didn't like him. Now, at some point, the Gonzales and Pauline's half-brother and mother, they all got in trouble for cocaine, federal case. So John Gonzales calls up, you know, talks to Frank while Frank is in prison on another sex crime. In jail, I mean, not prison. And said, hey, I got an idea, man.

So remember, Frank and them was telling the story years later, so they don't know exactly when Ian purchased a Volkswagen. They're assuming he had it at the time that Dana was killed, but he didn't. You follow what I'm saying? So Ian kept trying to say, look, I didn't purchase the Volkswagen until after Daniel was, it couldn't have been. One, it wasn't a Volkswagen, but two, I didn't own it.

So remember, Frank and them was telling the story years later, so they don't know exactly when Ian purchased a Volkswagen. They're assuming he had it at the time that Dana was killed, but he didn't. You follow what I'm saying? So Ian kept trying to say, look, I didn't purchase the Volkswagen until after Daniel was, it couldn't have been. One, it wasn't a Volkswagen, but two, I didn't own it.

I mean, you know what? One thing I tell my students about criminal defendants, I mean, you have a lot of fun with some of these people, man. You never meet, they're not the same and they're always personal. So John's like, hey, why don't you help get the family out of trouble? Why don't you say that Ian and Sean, that you got information on the Ireland case, that Ian and Sean killed him.

I mean, you know what? One thing I tell my students about criminal defendants, I mean, you have a lot of fun with some of these people, man. You never meet, they're not the same and they're always personal. So John's like, hey, why don't you help get the family out of trouble? Why don't you say that Ian and Sean, that you got information on the Ireland case, that Ian and Sean killed him.