Ken Shamrock

I was the first King of Pancras champion in Japan.

I was the very first super fight or whatever they call today a single fight champion in the UFC.

Um, so just, you know, having the opportunity to be put in those positions, because this is all timing, it could have been somebody else.

But just the timing and the timing of me being in those situations and being able to achieve those goals are things that I know that my kids and my grandkids and my family could be proud of for a long time because I know I am.

And again, I don't have these without people helping me along the way and without organizations giving me the opportunity to do so.

Yeah, you're way off course on that.

Yeah, I get you.

But I don't think there's a UFC without Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie.

I believe that, yes.

Okay, so there's some truth to what I just said then.

Yeah, because I voiced Gracie was...

I mean, the dude was phenomenal.

I mean, look at him.

He was 180, 190 pounds, and he was beating guys that were three, four times his size.

I did the same thing.

We were both the lightest ones in mixed martial arts.

I was 190 at the time, and I think he was 170, 180.

So we were definitely way ahead of everyone else.

But without Hoist and without me being able to have competitors against one another, we can't build this organization.

I got you.