Ken Vogel
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first heard Oct 2025
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like to think that we're above that.
We're different than that.
We have all these ethics laws and conflicts of interest laws and disclosure laws that prevent that kind of thing.
But
It turns out that in the rest of the world, when they sort of get crosswise with the United States or other international bodies, they apply this same mindset and they look for Americans who are close to the government and the top officials in the government to put on their payrolls to be able to at least create the perception that they are gaining some kind of favor or effectively navigating
They're way out of trouble.
And it turns out that there are plenty of well-connected Americans who are willing to take those paydays, including Hunter Biden, including Rudy Giuliani, but also many others who I profile in detail in the book.
Yeah, and it's not just that it's a double standard, though I think certainly it is.
And we saw this pattern play out where Hunter Biden was working for individuals and companies that were targeted by U.S.-backed, not just U.S.-backed, but anti-corruption initiatives that were backed by his own father around the world.
It wasn't just in Ukraine.
But this also gets at this other theme that the perception is important here.
It's not just that
you know you're paying hunter biden to effectuate some change in u.s policy to get the u.s to back away from a given prosecution or to enact energy policies that were more favorable to the ukrainian gas company for which he was working but rather that
there's an importance that there's a weight that is associated with having Hunter Biden on your payroll in Ukraine.
So the Ukrainian prosecutors who are being encouraged by Joe Biden to pursue corruption kind of look at it and say, wait a minute, that here is the son of the vice president who is telling us to pursue corruption.
The vice president is the son is working for one of the targets
of this anti-corruption campaign, that's certainly a mixed message, the most charitable way to perceive it, the more cynical way to perceive it.
And not qualified to be there.
Yeah.
And it is something where they, you know, the prosecutors are going to think twice when they see that a very, the son of a very important U.S.
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