Kenny Logan

And then also we've grown into it where they've arrived in it.

So it's a totally different environment.

I think that's hard.

So when that happens, do you feel that?

Do you continue to find something to lift you up?

Do you know what I love?

Our kids get our phones and you just go through all the old pictures of the history of them.

You do that.

Only because they pop up on my phone.

But what I'm saying to you is that the weekend there, you were going through all these old pictures on my phone, just like old videos, horses or holidays and all that stuff, which is, again, a memory of good things, right?

It makes you feel good.

And Ruben does the same.

He does pick up your phone and my phone.

It's not social media.

It's not social media, but I'm seeing how you're looking at things that we've done together that gives you that feeling.

I think because my school life was challenging, so I always wanted to prove people wrong.

Because when you're told you're thick and stupid, you sort of go, right, I've got to prove people wrong.

But as I got into the environment of being in the team, I didn't want to let anybody down.

I didn't want to let myself down.

I didn't want somebody to think I wasn't good enough.