Kenny Logan

So it was always driving me to be better.

And the fear of failure is always the... Isn't that your main motivation?

Yeah.

And actually, when you sort of...

When I talk about that now, and then I go to what I'm doing is work-wise, and it's a different fear of failure now.

When you're a sportsman, if you are not good enough, you're told you're not good enough, you get dropped.

your career's not over.

You've just got to get back on the horse and train that week and get back in the team and then you're off again.

So it's different.

So I think now when you get to like 50 years old, you're sort of going through a period going, I'm enjoying what I'm doing.

You've got all these different things in your head.

So there's an element of the drive is harder sometimes because it's not as clear when you're younger.

I feel it's clearer because, you know, your goals are really sort of that I want to be this one and you forget a bit of them around you.

So you're really quite self-centred.

Whereas you get older and I think you're looking beyond

and all that and trying to keep everybody happy a little bit.

And also family, marriage, it's just you, isn't it?

You don't care about anybody else, you care about yourself.

Quite selfish.

And I think as you get older, you're not selfish.