Kevin McCloud

Absolutely, absolutely.

And I find it really sad when people say, oh, I only like landscapes or no, I don't like contemporary art.

Because I think open your eyes or open your mind a little bit and see or think about what you're seeing.

Look, when I was growing up, St George's Terrace was a beautiful terrace of buildings.

In fact, in Government House, in the basement of Government House here, there's a wraparound painting of St George's Terrace at the time when I was growing up.

My dad worked in the AMP, which was on the corner with...

three really interesting buildings only one of them survived the terrible onslaught of the bulldozers in the might during the mining boom and that's the palace hotel which remains but it was really the least of the buildings there

So I would go into town and visit my father and he was in this beautiful building.

But my, one of my father's great, I think it was great grandfather, my father's great grandfather was an architect called Richard Roche Jewell.

And he was a government architect for many years in the 1800s, and he designed the barracks at the top of St George's Terrace, of which only the barracks arch remains.

He designed the cloisters, which remains, the deanery, which remains, the town hall.

The town hall, I've always known it's got arrows on it to show that convicts

And I really don't separate art and architecture.

I think they're the same.

For me, they're the same thing.

Yes, yes.

And when I, you know, I go, I'm so pleased that I've been able to go to some of Tim's talks and I watch you, you know, on TV all the time.

And there's a sort of an instant thing that goes off in your head when you see a house that's well designed, that's architecturally interesting.

It's the same sort of...

that goes through your mind when you're looking at a painting.