Kevin McCloud

One toilet, one bathroom, and they had five children.

Of its time.

Yeah.

Scale.

Yes, and when you drive around Perth and you see the scale of the buildings that are being put up now,

For two people to live in, some of them are... I had a Japanese student come to the house we have built at Hatesbury Stud, which is pretty big but not ridiculous, but she said, how many families live here?

One at the weekend.

But the scale of Manning Clark House...

I think the Ivanoff houses we were looking at, they had a better scale.

How have I given you that impression?

I am so pessimistic about the world.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah, and actually yesterday I read something that made me a bit optimistic and that was that despite the heat in Melbourne, Sydney, South Australia, there haven't been blackouts because 67% of the power,

that was used turning on people's air conditioners is coming from solar.

So I felt, oh, thank God for that.

So that did make me feel a bit optimistic.

And I'm optimistic that more and more Australians are thinking like that.

That's right.

We were very lucky.

Yeah.