Kevin McCloud

The other thing, although it pains me, but people in WA see Aboriginal people.

I think there must be people in Melbourne who've never seen an Aboriginal in their lives.

Yes.

Totally.

Well, I think it's good that people like David Marr with his book Killing for Country are exposing those horrors.

Kate Grenville, who's a writer I admire, she's just written a book, Undisclosed or Unsomething, about tracing people

her family's journey from sydney up to wiseman's ferry and around and about trying to establish whether her grandfather like david's ma's grandfather was involved in the killing of aborigines she doesn't find any evidence that he was but david ma certainly doesn't i think it's great that those books are being ex those those terrible things that happened are being exposed

But you can recognise it.

But we can recognise it.

Yes.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I mean, one of the great things is that possibly the greatest example

contemporary art of the last 50 years in the world is what's being done by Australian Aboriginal people.

I mean, just mind-boggling.

And every community is different.

Every artist is beyond amazing.

I remember when sort of pompous journalists asked Robert when we bought a group of Aboriginal works very early on, and do you know the stories behind all these works?

And Robert said, well, we do know the stories because we're very careful when we collect things.

We know the stories.