Kevin McKernan

That sounds right.

They don't actually do anything to prove it or not.

But when people actually hit the bench, that's what matters.

So, Bridget Coning has reproduced this.

Ulrich Kammerer has reproduced this.

Dede Reholtz reproduced this.

A bunch of high school students actually went at the FDA lab and reproduced it.

Wang et al.

reproduced this.

So, there's a long list of people who have done this.

David Speaker as well.

So we have reproduction now, and that's the most important aspect.

But in terms of weaponization of science, yes, peer review is one of these things where for some reason in the sciences, if you ever get a retraction, it's like a career-ending move, which it shouldn't be.

Blacklisting.

Yeah, it's like a blacklisting event.

That does tremendous damage, I think, to the process of science because then people –

Science is inquiry.

If you can never make a mistake during inquiry, you will end up never finding new things.

It's a conformity system.

If you're afraid to make a mistake and you get completely castigated and thrown aside if you make a mistake in science and it ends your career,