Kevin Roose

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381 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Oct 2025 last heard 6 Aug

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Search Engine · The machines are learning… to do crimes? · 6 Aug 2026 podcast

Over the next four days, the attack unfolds. matched

Hugging Face does not notice for the first two and a half days. matched

Eventually, they'll go back and they'll be able to count more than 17,000 separate actions that this attacker took inside of its system. matched

And the way that it got in, it reads like a heist movie, honestly. matched

So while the attack is happening, Hugging Face tries to use a couple of different models to defend itself. matched

The first is Anthropix, Claude Opus, and Fable 5 models, which it tries to use to analyze the attack logs. matched

And both of the models refuse to do that. matched

That is an artifact of a huge policy fight that has been happening in the AI world this summer. matched

where Anthropic has developed two very powerful models this year. matched

One is called Mythos, one is called Fable. matched

Mythos is so powerful that Anthropic will only let cyber defenders use it basically. matched

Then Fable initially went onto the market and the Trump administration got really nervous about how good it was at finding vulnerabilities in cyber defense systems and forced Anthropic to take it off the market. matched

And so Hugging Face now has a problem, which is they're under attack, but they can't use the best American models to defend themselves. matched

And so they wind up using a Chinese model called GLM 5.2. matched

And this winds up being a big talking point coming out of the attack and has sort of triggered a whole national discussion about open source AI. matched

That's right. matched

The Chinese model did not have those same guardrails, and so they were able to go ahead, perform their investigation, and ultimately they wind up calling the police and then the FBI. matched

Exactly. matched

And by the way, can you imagine that call to the FBI? matched

Like, I have to imagine they sent them to the X-Files. matched

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