Kevin Russo

And how much of it is just they think they can make more money this way?

I'm curious how you feel about it.

I remember in the early 2010s, I found myself maybe somewhat embarrassingly carried away by some of the more grandiose pronouncements of these companies.

They were going to

organize the world's information and make it universally useful and make the world more open and connected.

And while, you know, that was always obviously self-serving in some ways, I did talk to many employees who seemed sincerely moved by that mission.

And they did talk about it all the time.

And so I took them to be at least somewhat sincere.

I no longer take them to be sincere about that.

And I wonder, like, did you take them at their word back then?

And as the sort of truth emerged, how did you feel about it?

Sketch out a bit how AI...

For folks who may have spent less time contemplating worst case scenarios.

I know, I live there.

Yeah.

Can you sketch out for us a bit why AI makes surveillance particularly scary?

Some folks might say, hey, I don't know.

I'm already pretty scared of the FBI.

You know, what do I care if they can read my chat GPT?

You brought up how immigrants to this country who are here on various different kinds of visas might find themselves subject to mass surveillance.