Kevin Tawil

The topic was brought up by Irv.

So Irv was close to the company, still is, but he saw that we were traveling a lot.

Jim in particular was traveling for client meetings and new business development.

I was on the road as well for client meetings and for going out to our different offices.

And he felt like...

we would be happier and it would be more long-term sustainable for us as leaders to relocate back into the Bay Area where we wanted to be and where both our spouses had jobs.

Because while we were traveling, so were our spouses.

I mean, they were traveling.

They're both consultants and traveling four days a week.

So he saw the stress it was putting on the system and thought that even though it would be potentially better for us to be located in Houston, that

It was going to be long-term more sustainable for us to leave.

And we were, it didn't take him mentioning it twice to get out of there.

Can I address your comment about us being a hot mess at that period of time?

Mass is a little strong.

Oh, no, no, no.

You're right.

You're right.

This was quintessential.

Herb doesn't need to say a lot to make a point.

One of his great strengths.