Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
There's an interesting dilemma here, which is that this is happening in a time of extreme economic softness, slowdown, and missed uncertainty, trade wars, a lack of confidence, slowdown in private investment and consumption, a withdrawal of foreign investment from China, especially the U.S.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
venture funding.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Imagine what China would have been like, let's say, if the economy was doing better, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
But you could also argue that it's because people feel threatened that they make more leaves.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Now, I wish the world is not, we don't have to drive each other to the corners to do something great, but that is the reality.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
And I don't think that there's an easy say between who wins, because I think the winning idea is part of the old playbook, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
You're all kind of part of a network.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Different countries, different players have different choke points on each other.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
I don't think it's just about the U.S.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
and China.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
And what's more, you use your leverage once, and that leverage has a half-life.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
it becomes a lot less effective the second time around because other countries, other companies are going to try to substitute it away.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
You know, if China uses the rare earth leverage, which I think it is now a little bit, there will be alternatives and substitutes.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Got to be very, very careful of what coercion leverage means.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Same thing with the U.S., right?
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
So I think this is all the old thinking of who wins, who dominates.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
I think we need a new playbook.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
I hope it was unintentional.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Otherwise, you'd be questioning the level of intelligence of the U.S.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
administration, right?