Khadija Sharife

Can we say to discredit the story and the journalists?

I think we should also just pause and reflect for a moment on how extremely unusual this is.

This is really not common, even if a negative story is printed about you, to effectively commission a firm to discredit the story.

It's rare.

I've never seen this before.

Can you tell us what methods APCO were using to discredit the story?

Well, so it was very interesting.

And we should say that Josh Simons, who took over running Labour Together from Morgan McSweeney, had since then become a Labour MP.

Yes, Josh Simons is now a Labour MP.

What else is happening that we've just done anything about?

And we should add one final coda, which is that Josh Simons has, of course, just resigned his seat to allow Andy Burnham to stand in a by-election.

So it's possible you've started something that I don't think you're going to be able to control, Peter.

Are you really running things?

Look, just on the down low, Andy.

Don't tell anybody at the Paul Foot Awards about this, but actually... I'll say no more.

Thank you very much, Peter.

Thank you very much.

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