Kieran

So make it easier to hire and fire in the public sector akin to the private sector.

Yeah.

What about the argument that, I guess, public bodies do work that doesn't necessarily generate a return?

But how do you measure sufficiency or functionality when there's not a cost-benefit element to it?

Because that's what would happen in the private sector.

You're not making money, you're costing us money, you're gone.

That's method's view.

You're costing us money, you're gone.

Yeah.

And do you think that's a chronic problem across all public bodies and civil service?

Yes, I do.

That essentially the book doesn't stop with anyone?

Yeah.

Listen, stay on the line on it because I suspect other people will want to get in touch on that issue of accountability, be it in RTE, in public service, in civil service, in public bodies, semi-state bodies, whatever it happens to be in the health service.

It's a conversation we've had before, but it's well worth having again to a degree.

So 51551 if people want to send me a text on that or give me a call on 01525.

4747, but Daniel is on the line as well.

Daniel, have you been following the Oireachtas Committee?

It's possible to deal with more than one thing at once, isn't it?

It's possible for Patrick O'Donovan to be engaging with all of the problems that you talk about there, about housing and infrastructure and energy and everything else, but still feel strongly about what's happening at this national broadcaster.