Kieran

I just want to go back to, Maurice has been listening to all of this as well.

Maurice, would you worry at all that the lesson that some people could take in RT from this is the next time you find something, say nothing?

Because if the cost of fixing the problem in the public eye is to be pilloried, just say nothing.

I know that, and I 100% agree with you.

You can't let that happen.

But do you not worry that the way people have reacted, and you talked about sending in the Gardaí en masse into RTE to seize every scrap of paper in the place, on foot of the current management finding a problem and fixing it, that the lesson in that is don't tell anyone the next time you find a problem.

Well, Maurice, the previous scandal, I mean, one of the conditions of the 725 odd million euro that's been made available to RT is that they did make the organisation smaller.

And employment law means you have to offer people redundancy.

What's the question you want answered that hasn't been?

And they would say yes.

Well, no, they would say yes.

I don't think they'd actually struggle answering it.

They'd say, yeah, we'll give you the truth.

That's what we're doing.

That's got to be accountable.

Come on, Ciarán, that's got to be accountable.

All the staff in RTE and the different pay scales that they operate under, it doesn't tell you exactly how much every single person is paid, but it tells you how much you're being paid kind of between zero and 60 grand a year, between 60 and 70, 70, 80 and upwards.

And listen, maybe there could be more information in it, but there is a financial report.

They have to publish it.

every year.