Kieran

Well, listen, Andrew, we appreciate the update and it's still happening.

So we may speak to you again before three o'clock, before we come off air, if indeed anything revelatory happens.

One suspects if TD was sitting on something revelatory, they'd have revealed it by now.

But Deirdre is on the line.

Deirdre, what have you made of today's proceedings and this ongoing story?

Morris suggested a €150,000 salary cap.

That's enough for anybody to be earning.

Is there some merit in that?

What college is that?

My old alma mater, Maurice.

Now we're friends.

Listen, I want to bring in Shane, who's been listening as well.

Deirdre, you stay with us.

Shane, what do you make of the current level of, well, outrage or apathy, depending on who you talk to on this issue?

But somebody else made a similar point earlier and you may have heard what I said to them.

It's possible for people to care, or politicians to care and be engaged about more than one thing at once.

You know, that they're absolutely dealing with the fundamental problems society faces, but this is also a problem worthy of their attention.

It's the one that the politicians can claim no ownership of.

I guess it's in their interest that people are not outraged about the health service because ultimately they're the ones responsible for it.

Just to be clear, because it wasn't auditors.