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Kim Ghattas

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Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

They want to bring their families.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And there is a real debate about leaving behind civilians.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

But if you bring the Palestinian militants and their families, you're talking about 100,000 people instead of 15,000 or 30,000.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

Who is going to take in that number of Palestinians?

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

So a decision is made in the end that only the militants will leave and the families will stay behind.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And there are American guarantees for the safety of these civilians.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

He is in several basements.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

He moves around because he knows he's targeted and the Israelis try to kill him several times.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

So he is on the run.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

But he is, yes, often, I guess, in a basement, but also, you know, possibly just driving around in a sort of unmarked car because it wasn't as easy to track people at the time as now with mobile phones.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And they are definitely trying to kill him.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And the Americans are very concerned.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

that as this evacuation might get underway, the Israelis might target whoever is getting on that ship.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

So the Americans want to make sure that the Marines, which they've decided to send in a multinational force, the French, the Italian, the British, the Americans, are going to send a multinational force to Lebanon ahead

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

of this evacuation to guarantee the safety of all those who are leaving, because they want to make sure nothing goes wrong.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

The Israelis are fighting that.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

They don't want the Americans to deploy too soon either.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

They send men up north to make sure that the Americans aren't going to come in from the port of Junyeh.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

You can really see some of the tension in these negotiations about the Palestinian departure from Beirut.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And it is a moment of defeat,