Kim Ghattas

Women and children, Anita, women and children who are all seen as just part and parcel of what is the enemy, who could be, you know, collaborating or holding weapons or whatever the excuse is, but they are women and children.

And the mass graves that had to be dug for that and the fact that nobody quite understood.

And it's incredible to think.

today, in this day and age, that three days could go by or 48 hours could go by without a clear understanding of what was happening in the camps in such a sort of connected time that we live in with social media.

You know, massacres still happen, of course, but you know more quickly what is unfolding.

And people were not necessarily able to go in.

They weren't being let in.

People who were coming out, strangely enough, were not necessarily immediately reporting

a massacre.

They were reporting some shootings and violence, but the image was very confused.

But the one alarming thing was these flares, because you don't light up the sky unless there is a battle.

And it was a ceasefire.

And that was the real sign that something was off for the Western diplomats in the city and the American ambassador who could see it in front of his window.

I read an incredible book which collected the testimonies of Israeli soldiers who were involved in that invasion.

I highly recommend it if you have the stomach for it.

It is their recollection of that invasion.

I'm surprised it is not more widely known.

Some of them speak very candidly about how they were out there to kill the enemy and they shot whatever they would shoot at whatever they could see and it was great and it was like in a film, you know, like a video game.

But some became refuseniks.

After this moment.