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Kim Ghattas

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Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And when the Americans learn of that, one of the diplomats, Morris Draper, is actually in Tel Aviv and he's meeting with Begin and Sharon and he says, you promised us you wouldn't do this.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

You promised us that you wouldn't go into West Beirut.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

You have to leave now.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And there's a whole back and forth that is very detailed in various accounts of how this unfolds.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

Bashir Jumail has been assassinated and soon enough his brother Amin Jumail will become president.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

He's now the leader of the Falange party and he is complicit in what unfolds because he is also getting phone calls from people.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

the Americans saying, you know, your men are entering the camps, you need to get them out.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

We're hearing reports of terrible things unfolding in the camps.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And he's like, yes, I'll get back to you.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

From Thursday evening until Saturday morning, there's an orgy of killing inside the camps.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

It is too gruesome almost to describe what happens.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And yes, Israeli pilots

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

are throwing flares in the air to light up the camps for the Lebanese forces armed militia leaders who are inside the camps.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And just as a short aside, the Lebanese forces are this new militia created by Bashir Jemayel as the sort of his own militia.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

military faction that is slightly separate from the Falange party, but still under the same umbrella.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

So it's not the Falange party that is inside the camps, but the Lebanese forces, which is slightly distinct.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And it's led by a man, Bashir Jumail's right hand, Elie Habayka.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And they are in there, they say, as revenge.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

But you could also argue that it was always their plan to go in and to finish off whatever they could finish off.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

Well, what does that mean though, Cam?