Konstantin Kisin

I think people become more conservative as they have something to protect, which comes back to the conversation we were having.

I was wondering...

We always are extra interested in people who seem sensible but have been embroiled in some sort of controversy or been canceled or whatever, because that was an area that really I found very interesting but also confusing for a long time.

And you had that with the previous book, did you not?

And what was your central argument of that book, and why did people disagree with it as strongly as they did?

Do you think that it's not, I wonder if it's just that, because I understand your argument, you know, if the political worldview that you advocate for relies on pretending there are no differences between population groups, then it's very advantageous to you to shut down any evidence to the country.

But do you think there's also quite a reasonable concern based on history that quite on the number of occasions in the last 150 years, but probably prior to that as well,

People have come along and said, well, the science says that this group of people is superior to that group of people.

Therefore, here's a bunch of discriminatory policies that often lead to very, very negative and unpleasant outcomes.

And then we later learn, actually, that wasn't scientifically accurate at all.

We have a new theory that explains certain things that people were claiming at the time.

Is that really true, though?

Because, like, if you say black people are better at basketball, I mean, they are superior at basketball.

So if you make claims about other metrics that determine people's success in various aspects of life, you can very easily see how when you get to things like intelligence or other things, it becomes very easy to use that as a discriminatory piece of information.

And there are lots of people who would.

Yeah, I can see why this is controversial.

Yeah, I guess all I'm saying is I think I can see why people are very touchy about the subject.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Well, listen, it's been great having you on the show.