Konstantin Kisin

You're like, mate, it's a bit of sleep.

What's going on?

Or what you get on the other side of it is this phrase that always is used now, since records began.

This is the hottest weather since records began.

And just going by what you say, you go, well, the records haven't been around that long, have they?

And what's really interesting now, actually, is that you're seeing a number of big-name people who pushed this narrative who are now starting to roll back on it.

Case in point, Bill Gates.

And the thing that I find particularly worrying is what you're talking about is how there is an institutional capture in these scientific institutes.

And you're thinking to yourself, well, that is really dangerous because if we can't trust what's coming out of the scientific institutions, then that ultimately is not just going to undermine people's faith in climate science.

They're going to go, well, if I can't trust this, how can I trust this?

How can I trust that?

How can I trust medicine, vaccines, whatever else it is?

Because they're lying about this, so why wouldn't they be lying about that?

And we're talking about the politicisation of science.

And look, I never thought of science as being something that was inherently political until relatively recently, until what we're talking about now, the climate science.

Has it always been political or is that something new that's come in?

And it's also as well, you have to be fair to scientists and go, look, if their research isn't going to get published or if it's going to negatively affect their career, then why would they publish research?

People only respond to incentives.

Scientists, however smart or brilliant they might be, are still human beings.

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