Konstantin Kisin

Teenagers were already social distancing before the pandemic.

So you have online communities, you have online porn, you have online therapy, you have online lectures, online delivery services.

You just don't have to look a human in the eye at all.

Yeah, I mean, I think when you asked me to come on, I was literally cleaning toilets in the cafe.

So it's very meaningful to be back.

I think that Jonathan Haidt obviously has accelerated this conversation and he's given the foundation for a lot of the stats in the book.

But I kind of think of it, when I first came on, I was talking about the first part of a story, which was a generation falling apart.

And that's what psychologists like Jonathan Haidt, Jean Twenge have all been talking about, which is the rise in anxiety, depression, self-harm, suicide among Gen Z. But the book is really the second part of the story, which is a generation being remade.

So what we were turned into.

And I actually think that young women have turned from people into products and that the reason we're unhappy is because we're no longer human or at least treating ourselves as human.

Yeah, so the book is all age-old anxieties that every generation of women has felt.

So it's like how you look, how you feel, your relationships, everything.

But it's all been magnified now until it's unmanageable.

And then it's more sinister than that.

It's actually been exploited by all of these industries and companies.

And so, yeah, I think other generations of women would say they've been objectified or treated like a product.

But I think this is like the core experience of girls today is commodification.

So every experience of growing up, whether it's, you know, dealing with your developing body or going on your first date, it's all commodified and intruded upon by the market.

Well, so you're constantly marketing and selling yourself.

So all through adolescence, you're performing obsessively, analyzing your metrics and then your self-worth