Kristi Noem

People are running.

They're trying to get off this train.

And it is a shock even in an era of people feeling very unsafe.

Well, I think what was most consequential on the ground was the stripping away of resources that people desperately needed, which in turn led to, for example, people turning to the illegal drug trade at a

whole record level to support themselves, their families, which in turn also contributed to the AIDS crisis, which in turn could not get the care and attention it needed without the public resources it needed.

So if we are to really look at a kind of a ground zero moment, the Reagan tax cuts starting in 81, actually, and then getting doubled down on in 83 are massive.

monumentally important in a place like South Bronx.

Think about it.

Most African-Americans in places like the South Bronx are dependent on public sector jobs, right?

Working for the city, working for the state.

They are eviscerated.

Teenagers got summer employment through something called CETA, CETA jobs.

Reagan eliminates them.

Mentally ill people relied on general assistance.

It is gutted.

And of course, again, it's not just Reagan.

It is a long Reagan revolution because it will actually be Clinton, as I am not shy to point out.

That's right.

So the ground zero changing moment is really an economic one from which the cultural, the racial, all of it will get much tenser, much more exacerbated.

But, you know –