Kristin Demoranville

And instead of actually, and I say this all the time and I ripped this off a friend of mine, that's an OT in the UK, but we literally keep trying to boil the ocean, find that silver bullet moment when we just need to sit down and make a cup of tea.

And instead of actually, and I say this all the time and I ripped this off a friend of mine, that's an OT in the UK, but we literally keep trying to boil the ocean, find that silver bullet moment when we just need to sit down and make a cup of tea.

And if we start focusing on the smaller aspects, like, you know, people process, because honestly it's probably the easier and less expensive to deal with. And then move to, okay, we've got these technology that are in these environments. What are we doing with them? There are companies out there turning tractors into autonomous vehicles via like a little kit. That's O-T-I-C-S.

And if we start focusing on the smaller aspects, like, you know, people process, because honestly it's probably the easier and less expensive to deal with. And then move to, okay, we've got these technology that are in these environments. What are we doing with them? There are companies out there turning tractors into autonomous vehicles via like a little kit. That's O-T-I-C-S.

Like, hello, does the industry know that? Did you know that, listener? Did you know that? Like, that's stuff when I hear that, I'm like, oh my God, did anybody talk to the security teams around these? Like, the farmer doesn't have a security team. Mm-mm. The farmer doesn't have time for that. They are just happy if they break even and make some profit at the end of the year.

Like, hello, does the industry know that? Did you know that, listener? Did you know that? Like, that's stuff when I hear that, I'm like, oh my God, did anybody talk to the security teams around these? Like, the farmer doesn't have a security team. Mm-mm. The farmer doesn't have time for that. They are just happy if they break even and make some profit at the end of the year.

That's what they want to do. Keep their families fed, the lights on, their cattle fed. That's it, right? It doesn't have to be more than that. But here we are as security professionals who have been in the industry long enough, both of us, and we know just how bad it's going to get because nobody's been dealing with this. So my worry, and I know I'm jumping your question, Seth. Okay.

That's what they want to do. Keep their families fed, the lights on, their cattle fed. That's it, right? It doesn't have to be more than that. But here we are as security professionals who have been in the industry long enough, both of us, and we know just how bad it's going to get because nobody's been dealing with this. So my worry, and I know I'm jumping your question, Seth. Okay.

Everybody get it. What my worry is over the next three to seven years, roughly, is that we're going to have such a major foodborne illness issue out of the food industry because of some cyber attack that hit, whether it's nation state, bad actor, disruptor, brand disruptions, whatever, that we're going to be so rattled that we're not going to know what to do.

Everybody get it. What my worry is over the next three to seven years, roughly, is that we're going to have such a major foodborne illness issue out of the food industry because of some cyber attack that hit, whether it's nation state, bad actor, disruptor, brand disruptions, whatever, that we're going to be so rattled that we're not going to know what to do.

And we're going to do the wrong things. We're going to put a Band-Aid that needs to be a stitches situation. And it's just going to make the supply chain even worse. And that's my concern. And I've talked to a few food safety experts who've asked me on air, literally, hey, how many bodies need to be on the floor before somebody does something? And my response back was probably a lot.

And we're going to do the wrong things. We're going to put a Band-Aid that needs to be a stitches situation. And it's just going to make the supply chain even worse. And that's my concern. And I've talked to a few food safety experts who've asked me on air, literally, hey, how many bodies need to be on the floor before somebody does something? And my response back was probably a lot.

And I hate to say that out loud. And the person who asked me that actually lost a child to E. coli poisoning. So it was this really personal moment of, I'm sorry to say, I just think we're not smart enough to deal with it ahead of time. Because people don't like being proactive. They just want to be reactive. And that's frustrating.

And I hate to say that out loud. And the person who asked me that actually lost a child to E. coli poisoning. So it was this really personal moment of, I'm sorry to say, I just think we're not smart enough to deal with it ahead of time. Because people don't like being proactive. They just want to be reactive. And that's frustrating.

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Your vote would be a huge help in gaining visibility and raising more awareness for cybersecurity and food and agriculture. Voting is open now from August 1st till October 1st and the link can be found in the show notes. Thank you in advance. I appreciate you taking the time and I couldn't be more thrilled that the show has been nominated. Now back to my conversation with Aaron.

Your vote would be a huge help in gaining visibility and raising more awareness for cybersecurity and food and agriculture. Voting is open now from August 1st till October 1st and the link can be found in the show notes. Thank you in advance. I appreciate you taking the time and I couldn't be more thrilled that the show has been nominated. Now back to my conversation with Aaron.

And I'm about to use some buzzy terms, so everybody just brace. But we need to move away from being in recovery mode all the time to being resilient, especially in the food industry. And that's what I constantly go in and talk about. You're going to get hit with an attack. I don't want to hear that you're not because you are. Are you prepared? And the response back is, I don't know.

And I'm about to use some buzzy terms, so everybody just brace. But we need to move away from being in recovery mode all the time to being resilient, especially in the food industry. And that's what I constantly go in and talk about. You're going to get hit with an attack. I don't want to hear that you're not because you are. Are you prepared? And the response back is, I don't know.