Kristina Ellis

Well, and it feels different when you're spending cold, hard cash.

Like when you actually are handing over something in that transaction that you don't get back, there's an emotional attachment to it.

Well, and that's part of, you know, when people say I can keep credit cards and I pay them off every month there.

I mean, I'm not going to argue with the people who say that they can do that.

But do you spend more when you do that?

Do you not have that pain center go off?

Like if you were actually spending cash, would you be a little bit more hesitant to buy that extra shirt to buy that extra purchase that you maybe don't need?

Oh, Amazon.

I think now, too, it's like the temptation keeps getting even higher because we've got Venmo where you can just transfer money so easy.

A friend's going to be like, I'll pick up dinner and you can just send the money.

We've got Amazon where it's one-click ordering.

It's like everything, it's getting so easy to spend.

So it's like even...

Even if you're using a debit card, I think it's getting more and more important to create boundaries around your spending so that you feel it.

So that, you know, even if it's an easy transaction, there's a little bit of pain or a little bit of boundaries to keep you in line.

So you sold the house.

What else did y'all do in this journey?

Because you mentioned the side hustle, a 7K side hustle.

What was that?

So we cleaned my offices that I work for in Clarksville and in Hopkinsville.