Kurt Alpers

Oh, probably 11, 11.30.

So after 11.

Karina would get upset when she was asked questions.

She felt like she was being accused.

She felt like they thought she had something to do with it.

You want to stand up?

One morning she called and I think she saw they had found a shell casing and she wanted to know what that meant.

It seemed odd to me just because I would think she would know what a shell casing is because we've shot guns.

I talked to the investigator right after that.

Where was she?

The disappearance of Carrie Farmer was quite unlike any other, because Carrie hadn't exactly vanished, but retreated beyond the shadows to release rage in torrents of text messages.

Beyond diabolical, beyond the macabre, to murder, a story straight out of left field.

You're on edge as to what's going to happen next.

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I do remember she saying to me, you don't believe any of this, do you?

And I told her, absolutely not.

No, you didn't do it.

They're mistaken.

That was a big shock because we were told early on that they talked to him several times and he wasn't a suspect anymore.

But he had an alibi and there's nothing they had on him.