Kyla Scanlon

So everything is very much prone to the stock market.

So everything is very much prone to the stock market.

So there was a piece in the Financial Times a couple of years ago where the author of the piece said that we have a society that's more focused on shareholder rights rather than civil rights.

So there was a piece in the Financial Times a couple of years ago where the author of the piece said that we have a society that's more focused on shareholder rights rather than civil rights.

And I think that is very, yeah, it's...

And I think that is very, yeah, it's...

I can't remember the author's name, but it was a great piece.

I can't remember the author's name, but it was a great piece.

And I think that's kind of emblematic of the U.S.

And I think that's kind of emblematic of the U.S.

productive enterprise is we get pretty stuck in terms of thinking beyond just what generates shareholder returns.

productive enterprise is we get pretty stuck in terms of thinking beyond just what generates shareholder returns.

And I don't know.

And I don't know.

It feels like we're able to do some stuff on the local level, but it's proven challenging.

It feels like we're able to do some stuff on the local level, but it's proven challenging.

I mean, it's more challenging than I'd want it to be.

I mean, it's more challenging than I'd want it to be.

It's a bit frustrating because I don't... It's almost like you don't know where the snake's head begins as an Ouroboros.

It's a bit frustrating because I don't... It's almost like you don't know where the snake's head begins as an Ouroboros.