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Kyle Harper

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

In this case, the sixth century, we know the cause, that there was a series of really significant volcanic eruptions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

Volcanoes are very powerful, short-term climate forcing mechanism.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

It ejects sulfur into the stratosphere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

It aerosolizes and sort of creates reflective shields that scatters the radiation entering the atmosphere.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And so it leads usually to short-term cooling.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And in this case, you had a series of really significant volcanic eruptions that cooled the climate for several decades and in some ways with the later series of eruptions even like a century and a half.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And it wasn't just a little bit cooler.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

It was like a degree to two degrees cooler.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

which we all kind of know now, like two degrees, this isn't weather, this is climate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

So like two degrees doesn't affect your day, but two degrees globally is a pretty different globe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And so all of a sudden in the late Roman world, it's much, much cooler.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

probably areas that have been wetter are now drier, places that are drier may be wetter.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

It changes the hydrological cycle as well, which is more complicated.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

In addition to the shock of the plague, you have this simultaneous and probably not unrelated shock to the climate system.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

We know that it was essentially challenging for agriculturalists.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

That when the sun is blocked and it's really, really cold and the wheat doesn't grow, your society then starves.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And so the Romans get this like wham, bam, double shock of climate change, famine and plague.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

And so back to how people explain this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

Yes, like apocalyptic thought is one of the principal sort of ways people frame it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Why Rome Actually Fell: Plagues, Slavery, & Ice Age โ€” Kyle Harper

To them, nature is going crazy.