Kyle Risdahl

We're not going to raise tariffs on you if you give us some of those rare earths and permanent magnets.

But they haven't come to a resolution between themselves allowing us to reduce that dependency on the United States side.

And what we would propose is a way to actually tackle that kind of problem to prevent it from spilling up and escalating in a way that it did really last year, which was the root of some of the problems in the relationship between the two countries.

Okay, so look, not to quibble with the choice of the subtitle here, the book is called How to Win a Trade War, An Optimistic Guide to an Anxious Global Economy.

When do we get to the optimistic part?

Chad Mountain, you get the last word.

Decades and decades.

That's a bit daunting.

It is.

But again, I'm with Samaya.

We have to be optimistic about this.

We do have a lot of lessons from economic evidence, from history about how to manage the challenges that we are facing right now, how to do things better.

And that's where some of the optimism comes from.

Right now, I think we're in a place where we're not doing that well.

We can do it better.

Here's a guide to show us the way.

Chad Bounds, Mayor Keynes.

Their book is called How to Win a Trade War.

Thanks, you two.

Appreciate your time.