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Why do some companies wait to IPO?

21 May 2026

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Chapter 1: Why are companies like SpaceX and OpenAI delaying their IPOs?

2.157 - 32.941 Kyle Risdahl

To infinity and beyond. From American Public Media, this is Marketplace. In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Rizzo. It is Thursday today. This one is the 21st of May. Good as always to have you along, everybody. I am just going to read from the SpaceX S1 that came out last night.

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32.961 - 59.374 Kyle Risdahl

That's the first form that companies have to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission to start the process of going public. Our mission, it says, is to build the systems and technologies necessary to make life multi-planetary, to understand the true nature of the universe, and to extend the light of consciousness to the stars. So Elon Musk and the gang are taking a big swing indeed.

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59.835 - 83.254 Kyle Risdahl

This is the first look under the financial hood of the rocket company, which also owns the social media platform X as well as XAI. It's coming before its expected IPO next month, which could wind up with a one point seven five trillion with a T dollar valuation. This is the first in a string of mega IPOs that are lined up. OpenAI as soon as this fall, perhaps Anthropic after that.

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84.055 - 86.38 Kyle Risdahl

Point is, this hasn't happened before.

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Chapter 2: What historical context explains the rise of early-stage IPOs?

86.46 - 94.534 Kyle Risdahl

Companies hitting the public markets for the first time with such enormous valuations. Marketplace's Megan McCarty Carino starts us off.

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94.885 - 100.552 Megan McCarty Carino

When the web browser Netscape went public in 1995, it was barely a year old.

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101.133 - 105.799 Kyle Risdahl

At 11 a.m. this morning, the company's stock went public and Wall Street went bonkers.

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106.22 - 111.066 Megan McCarty Carino

That kicked off the dot-com boom, says Jay Ritter, an economist at the University of Florida.

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111.487 - 119.998 Unknown

There were lots of startups that went public at a very early stage where it wasn't at all clear who their survivors were going to be.

120.097 - 131.235 Megan McCarty Carino

That created a risk for retail investors, but also opportunity to get in on the ground floor of tech companies that would build unimaginable fortunes like Google and Amazon.

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In the last few decades, they've been delaying going public.

135.976 - 139.94 Kyle Risdahl

SpaceX is 24 years old. OpenAI is 10.

140.32 - 160.161 Megan McCarty Carino

Anthropic is only 5, but all have mature businesses generating billions in revenue. It means gains have accrued to a smaller group of private investors and venture capital firms. And that important details about these companies' business models have been less transparent, says Minmo Gang, a professor of finance at Cornell.

Chapter 3: How do private investors benefit from delayed IPOs?

167.134 - 184.157 Megan McCarty Carino

While these companies have booming revenue, Gang says they're not likely to be profitable in the near future because they're spending so much on hardware. But there's a lot of pent-up demand to invest in the technology people are increasingly using every day, says analyst Daniel Newman at Futurum Group.

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184.238 - 198.501 Kyle Risdahl

These are companies that could legitimately take almost all of the market's liquidity for a short period of time because there's going to be so many funds, institutions, and retail investors that are all going to want to participate and all be part of this.

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198.7 - 216.215 Megan McCarty Carino

A lot of individual investors have already been trying to scoop up shares ahead of the IPO on the secondary market, not always through official means. One investment banker offered his Bay Area home for sale in exchange for Anthropic shares. I'm Megan McCarty Carino for Marketplace.

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217.056 - 255.872 Kyle Risdahl

Wow, that is a big swing indeed. Wall Street today, stocks up, oil down. Stop me if you've heard that one before. We will have the details when we do the numbers. The average price of a new car in this economy at the moment sits right around $50,000. So the news from Stellantis this morning was interesting market share wise.

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256.313 - 274.483 Kyle Risdahl

The global car maker with more than a dozen brands, Fiat, Peugeot, Jeep, Dodge and Chrysler among them, says it's going to introduce nine new models that will sell for less than $40,000. Daniel Ackerman has more now on cheaper new cars. A little history lesson from auto analyst Glenn Mercer.

Chapter 4: What challenges do companies face when going public?

274.823 - 297.778 Kyle Risdahl

If I go back to say 1965 or 75, car quality was poor. Which means there was a strong incentive to buy new cars. A used car was a lemon, a junker was about to explode. So automakers offer new cars at every price point. But Mercer says car quality has improved so much that customers who want something affordable can now safely buy used higher-end models.

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298.199 - 321.295 Kyle Risdahl

So the entry-level competition is no longer Corolla versus Versa. It's Corolla versus a used Camry. Why wouldn't I buy the bigger car in pretty much equivalent shape for the same amount of money? And so some automakers have abandoned their most affordable models altogether, says David Whiston, an auto analyst with Morningstar.

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321.595 - 325.922 Aaron Keating

There's a lot more profit in selling a Highlander than there is a Corolla.

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326.403 - 331.071 Kyle Risdahl

And there's been more demand for that Highlander too, says Aaron Keating of Cox Automotive.

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331.203 - 336.53 Megan McCarty Carino

We do continue to see a consumer that is looking for the larger, more technologically advanced vehicles.

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But major price increases on those big new SUVs are starting to push some consumers to the brink, says Tyson Jominy of J.D. Power. Plus, automakers are eyeing the possibility of lower-cost competitors hitting the market.

Chapter 5: How are rising tungsten prices affecting U.S. manufacturers?

349.888 - 361.246 Bridget and Ryan

They're thinking, you know, what happens if Chinese automakers enter the U.S.? What happens if a lot of the competitors... build plants in the U.S. and can start avoiding tariffs or, you know, future tariffs or whatever it is.

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361.667 - 391.962 Kyle Risdahl

Jaminis says Stellantis may want to acquaint American consumers with its affordable models before any of that happens. I'm Daniel Ackerman for Marketplace. We're going to talk about trade quite a bit in the second half of the program. Big picture trade war kind of stuff.

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392.503 - 410.282 Kyle Risdahl

But the reality is all that big picture stuff is made up of a whole lot of more granular stuff, which for us right now is element number 74 on the periodic table tungsten. It's a metal that's critical to all kinds of industries, especially manufacturers that need to cut other kinds of metal.

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410.262 - 424.182 Kyle Risdahl

Most of the tungsten used here comes from China, which controls give or take 80 percent of the world's supply. And the trade discontent between the two countries has sent tungsten prices up 300 percent over the past year or so. That's according to the CRU group.

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As Marketplace's Justin Ho reports, though, that tungsten inflation has less to do with tariffs than it does with another weapon in the global trade war, export controls. A big reason why tungsten is unique is that it has a very high resistance to heat.

Chapter 6: What strategies is Stellantis implementing for affordable cars?

440.399 - 447.228 Chris Blench

And so that makes it ideal for handling the temperatures required to melt other metals without it melting itself.

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447.688 - 459.724 Kyle Risdahl

That's Chris Blench, CEO of Mavericks Manufacturing Partners, a company near San Diego that makes components for the energy and defense sectors. Blench says tungsten is commonly used as the electrode when welding parts for those sectors.

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460.344 - 473.128 Chris Blench

All of our aircraft, missile systems... nuclear, right? So the nuclear power plants for submarines and aircraft carriers, they'll use a lot of this particular kind of a process using tungsten.

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473.749 - 490.067 Kyle Risdahl

About once a month, Maverick's manufacturing partners will order a 10-pack of tungsten electrodes, which are the thin rods that go into welding tools. But last fall, the company noticed that prices were starting to rise. So Joe Thompson, the company's chief operating officer, loaded up on a year's supply.

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490.047 - 494.353 Chris Blench

Because at that time, it wasn't really a huge cost, right? But we can stock it.

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Thompson says that ended up being the right call. Prices of those 10-packs have more than tripled in the time since, in part because there's a lot of demand from the defense sector. Tungsten's used to make torpedoes and armor-piercing ammunition. Nicolas Anassi with CRU Group says that's partly because of the Iran war and because Europe's spending more on defense.

Chapter 7: What is the significance of tungsten in global trade?

513.942 - 524.278 Leah Fahey

If we look at the particular example of Germany, we see that Germany is reconverting part of the manufacturing operations into military projects.

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524.779 - 531.069 Kyle Risdahl

But the reason why prices have skyrocketed this year also has to do with supply, since China controls so much of the market.

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531.61 - 541.806 Leah Fahey

China has implemented export restrictions, meaning that only those who get a license can actually sell tanks overseas.

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China is trying to hang on to its tungsten, along with other critical metals, to safeguard its own interests, says Leah Fahey, senior China economist with Capital Economics.

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551.159 - 558.832 Sumaya Keynes

But equally, the other key thing is that it's being used as a bargaining tone, a way of kind of causing pain to the U.S. and the U.S. 's allies.

559.373 - 579.822 Kyle Risdahl

That's partly because of the Trump and Biden administration's tariff policies, but it's also because the U.S. has been using its own export controls on China. One of the key things that the U.S. has been doing to restrict China in recent years is restricting China's access to U.S. semiconductors and the products used to make those semiconductors. There are efforts in the U.S.

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and elsewhere to find more sources of tungsten. But Damian Ma with the think tank Carnegie China says that mines are a risky proposition that would require more than the private sector.

Chapter 8: How do trade wars impact international economic relations?

589.829 - 600.342 Damian Ma

This is why China has succeeded is that they've applied basically economy-wide industrial policy to get these strategic metals because the markets were not really going to be investing in these areas.

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600.943 - 619.566 Kyle Risdahl

The U.S. has awarded money to companies to study the possibility of domestic tungsten mining, but any new source would be at least years away. And until then, companies are beholden to whatever China decides to do. I think the world's waking up to the fact that if any one country controls a commodity, it's a high risk for the whole world.

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619.698 - 637.536 Kyle Risdahl

That's Brendan Moore, co-owner of Wolf Tooth Components, a company near Minneapolis that makes bike parts. He uses tungsten tools to whittle down blocks of aluminum into pedals, gears, and other components. Moore says the company spends a few thousand dollars a month on these tools. And over the past year, prices have nearly doubled.

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638.137 - 651.97 Kyle Risdahl

A few thousand dollars isn't life-changing for a machine shop the size of ours, but it's significant, significant enough that you see it in the numbers. Moore says the company can resharpen the tools so they last longer. But beyond that, there's not much else he can do.

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652.671 - 690.979 Kyle Risdahl

It's just another one of those things where, like, aluminum prices going up or anything else, electricity going up, we largely just have to eat it in the short term. Moore says he really doesn't want to pass the cost on to his customers. But if tungsten stays expensive, he might have to. I'm Justin Ho for Marketplace. Well, let's see.

691.019 - 721.177 Kyle Risdahl

We've talked about spaceships with SpaceX, cars, too, with Stellantis. Now, how about boats, fishing boats in particular, in the, say, 20 to 30-foot range? Here's today's installment of our series, My Economy. My name is Matias Kreidler. I'm the owner and operator of a small-scale fishing company on Oahu, Hawaii. I'm still somewhat in the transition to it.

721.497 - 727.566 Kyle Risdahl

I started about five, six years ago, going out for fun on the weekends.

729.989 - 739.042 Leah Fahey

I was in the army for about eight years, and then I got out of that in 2019, and I was teaching middle school.

740.323 - 768.822 Kyle Risdahl

Last year, I moved more toward full-time fishing. Originally, the goal was just to cover expenses and then make a little bit of money. And then last year, I was trying to at least pay for the mortgage. And then my wife is a teacher. She pays for the rest right now. Right now is the very beginning of ahi season. A lot of what I catch, I sell to local families.

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