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Kyler Brown

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The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So a lot of times what I see in the orthopedic world is they have to give their clients something for rehab guidance because they're not totally sure if their client's going to go do rehab. Can they afford one-on-one and all these other factors? So they give them this handout.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So a lot of times what I see in the orthopedic world is they have to give their clients something for rehab guidance because they're not totally sure if their client's going to go do rehab. Can they afford one-on-one and all these other factors? So they give them this handout.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Well, a lot of times this handout is from 30 years ago and it's the same five or six cookie cutter exercises, but then there's no accountability. There's no nuance. So there's just a lot of holes in this path to try to get your shoulder or your back or your knee from it hurts. Do I need surgery or not built all the way back up to I can do whatever I want.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Well, a lot of times this handout is from 30 years ago and it's the same five or six cookie cutter exercises, but then there's no accountability. There's no nuance. So there's just a lot of holes in this path to try to get your shoulder or your back or your knee from it hurts. Do I need surgery or not built all the way back up to I can do whatever I want.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Still not. There's a lot of environmental problems. So one of the biggest issues with all these people, and I have friends that work with all these professional teams that are great. And they're handcuffed because they only have their athlete for so long.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Still not. There's a lot of environmental problems. So one of the biggest issues with all these people, and I have friends that work with all these professional teams that are great. And they're handcuffed because they only have their athlete for so long.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So you all of a sudden get this multiple cooks in the kitchen problem where even if everyone has no ego and the best of intentions and they're most science-based people, they're still not sure, okay, what'd you do last week? What are we trying to do? Are you in a contract year? Like there's so many variables for a pro athlete. So in a weird way, professional sports is wellness upside down.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So you all of a sudden get this multiple cooks in the kitchen problem where even if everyone has no ego and the best of intentions and they're most science-based people, they're still not sure, okay, what'd you do last week? What are we trying to do? Are you in a contract year? Like there's so many variables for a pro athlete. So in a weird way, professional sports is wellness upside down.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

It's how can we get the most out of this athlete, this commodity for their contract? And that's not really a long-term play. What's been really interesting at 10 Squared is we've had some pro athletes approach us with this idea of, hey, can you guys be my reliable, you're invested in me only and be my oversight? Where are my gaps? Is this okay? Should I play through this pain?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

It's how can we get the most out of this athlete, this commodity for their contract? And that's not really a long-term play. What's been really interesting at 10 Squared is we've had some pro athletes approach us with this idea of, hey, can you guys be my reliable, you're invested in me only and be my oversight? Where are my gaps? Is this okay? Should I play through this pain?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Because there are times you play through pain, there's times you don't. But the most important thing is this idea of having one person driving the bus who knows all your variables. Because if someone comes to us and changes their centenary decathlon, like they want to change one item, like, hey, I really want to start doing jump rope every day. And then we look at their testing.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Because there are times you play through pain, there's times you don't. But the most important thing is this idea of having one person driving the bus who knows all your variables. Because if someone comes to us and changes their centenary decathlon, like they want to change one item, like, hey, I really want to start doing jump rope every day. And then we look at their testing.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

We're like, look, you're a high risk for Achilles. Let's bake into your program some really good articulate, smart strengthening to get you there rather than just hope it works out.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

We're like, look, you're a high risk for Achilles. Let's bake into your program some really good articulate, smart strengthening to get you there rather than just hope it works out.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Yeah. Other than saying that she's a saint for having signed up with you. You want me to talk? Okay. Yeah. Jill's a really great example because she had some pain when she showed up. So my job immediately is evaluate that pain. Is that a structural insufficiency? Are we worried about a real injury here? Or is that just an annoying nuance?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Yeah. Other than saying that she's a saint for having signed up with you. You want me to talk? Okay. Yeah. Jill's a really great example because she had some pain when she showed up. So my job immediately is evaluate that pain. Is that a structural insufficiency? Are we worried about a real injury here? Or is that just an annoying nuance?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Based on the testing I did, so I did my clinical exam, but way more detailed than I normally would in my private practice because at 10 Squared, we have the time. And we want to remove confirmation bias. So we don't want me to just say, oh, your hamstring hurts, let's order an MRI. Let's test it six ways and in a smart, conservative way.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Based on the testing I did, so I did my clinical exam, but way more detailed than I normally would in my private practice because at 10 Squared, we have the time. And we want to remove confirmation bias. So we don't want me to just say, oh, your hamstring hurts, let's order an MRI. Let's test it six ways and in a smart, conservative way.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

And if all six of those indicate that, then we're going to do an MRI. So with Jill, we saw some proximal hamstring issues. She's, of course, like you mentioned, an endurance athlete. Her profile, her demographics, her running history all pointed to there might be a tendinopathy there. And then based on my testing, it reinforced that. So I said, let's get an MRI.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

And if all six of those indicate that, then we're going to do an MRI. So with Jill, we saw some proximal hamstring issues. She's, of course, like you mentioned, an endurance athlete. Her profile, her demographics, her running history all pointed to there might be a tendinopathy there. And then based on my testing, it reinforced that. So I said, let's get an MRI.