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Kyler Brown

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The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

I mean, in the same way I've had pro athletes come in and we're supposed to do shoulder rehab that day and the night before they did a ton of stuff to their shoulder. So guess what? I'm not doing anything. They actually need to recover that day. It needs to be customized. To go back to your original question of how do people navigate this world?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

I mean, in the same way I've had pro athletes come in and we're supposed to do shoulder rehab that day and the night before they did a ton of stuff to their shoulder. So guess what? I'm not doing anything. They actually need to recover that day. It needs to be customized. To go back to your original question of how do people navigate this world?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

I think your rehab clinic needs to do more than just offer services. They need to offer a plan. This idea that, okay, this is what I offer. I offer cupping or dry needling or whatever it could be. One service doesn't ever fix anyone and it definitely doesn't increase their capacity over time. The magic word of capacity is what it's all about. Are you building me back to what I want to do?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

I think your rehab clinic needs to do more than just offer services. They need to offer a plan. This idea that, okay, this is what I offer. I offer cupping or dry needling or whatever it could be. One service doesn't ever fix anyone and it definitely doesn't increase their capacity over time. The magic word of capacity is what it's all about. Are you building me back to what I want to do?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So if your rehab clinic is a bunch of passive modalities on tables and a bunch of techs doing ultrasound and stuff, that's a red flag for me because they're not going to build you to get stronger and stronger. Number two is the orthopedic needs to actually be hunting down that physical therapy.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So if your rehab clinic is a bunch of passive modalities on tables and a bunch of techs doing ultrasound and stuff, that's a red flag for me because they're not going to build you to get stronger and stronger. Number two is the orthopedic needs to actually be hunting down that physical therapy.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So a lot of times what I see in the orthopedic world is they have to give their clients something for rehab guidance because they're not totally sure if their client's going to go do rehab. Can they afford one-on-one and all these other factors? So they give them this handout.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So a lot of times what I see in the orthopedic world is they have to give their clients something for rehab guidance because they're not totally sure if their client's going to go do rehab. Can they afford one-on-one and all these other factors? So they give them this handout.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Well, a lot of times this handout is from 30 years ago and it's the same five or six cookie cutter exercises, but then there's no accountability. There's no nuance. So there's just a lot of holes in this path to try to get your shoulder or your back or your knee from it hurts. Do I need surgery or not built all the way back up to I can do whatever I want.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Well, a lot of times this handout is from 30 years ago and it's the same five or six cookie cutter exercises, but then there's no accountability. There's no nuance. So there's just a lot of holes in this path to try to get your shoulder or your back or your knee from it hurts. Do I need surgery or not built all the way back up to I can do whatever I want.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Still not. There's a lot of environmental problems. So one of the biggest issues with all these people, and I have friends that work with all these professional teams that are great. And they're handcuffed because they only have their athlete for so long.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Still not. There's a lot of environmental problems. So one of the biggest issues with all these people, and I have friends that work with all these professional teams that are great. And they're handcuffed because they only have their athlete for so long.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So you all of a sudden get this multiple cooks in the kitchen problem where even if everyone has no ego and the best of intentions and they're most science-based people, they're still not sure, okay, what'd you do last week? What are we trying to do? Are you in a contract year? Like there's so many variables for a pro athlete. So in a weird way, professional sports is wellness upside down.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

So you all of a sudden get this multiple cooks in the kitchen problem where even if everyone has no ego and the best of intentions and they're most science-based people, they're still not sure, okay, what'd you do last week? What are we trying to do? Are you in a contract year? Like there's so many variables for a pro athlete. So in a weird way, professional sports is wellness upside down.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

It's how can we get the most out of this athlete, this commodity for their contract? And that's not really a long-term play. What's been really interesting at 10 Squared is we've had some pro athletes approach us with this idea of, hey, can you guys be my reliable, you're invested in me only and be my oversight? Where are my gaps? Is this okay? Should I play through this pain?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

It's how can we get the most out of this athlete, this commodity for their contract? And that's not really a long-term play. What's been really interesting at 10 Squared is we've had some pro athletes approach us with this idea of, hey, can you guys be my reliable, you're invested in me only and be my oversight? Where are my gaps? Is this okay? Should I play through this pain?

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Because there are times you play through pain, there's times you don't. But the most important thing is this idea of having one person driving the bus who knows all your variables. Because if someone comes to us and changes their centenary decathlon, like they want to change one item, like, hey, I really want to start doing jump rope every day. And then we look at their testing.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

Because there are times you play through pain, there's times you don't. But the most important thing is this idea of having one person driving the bus who knows all your variables. Because if someone comes to us and changes their centenary decathlon, like they want to change one item, like, hey, I really want to start doing jump rope every day. And then we look at their testing.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

We're like, look, you're a high risk for Achilles. Let's bake into your program some really good articulate, smart strengthening to get you there rather than just hope it works out.

The Peter Attia Drive
#350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade | Kyler Brown, D.C.

We're like, look, you're a high risk for Achilles. Let's bake into your program some really good articulate, smart strengthening to get you there rather than just hope it works out.