Lance Martin

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Now what's interesting is Boris from Anthropic and Cloud Code has taken a very different approach.
He's spoken about this quite a bit.
Cloud Code doesn't do any indexing.
It's just doing, quote-unquote, agentic retrieval, just using simple tool calls,
for example, using grep, to kind of poke around your files, no indexing whatsoever, and obviously works extremely well.
So there's very different approaches to kind of rag and retrieval that different code agents are taking.
And this seems to be kind of an interesting and emerging theme.
Like, when do you actually need more hardcore indexing?
When can you get away with simple, just kind of agentic search using very basic file tools?
I actually just saw Klein posted, I think yesterday, talking about that they only use script, they don't do indexing.
And so I think within the retrieval area of context engineering, there are some interesting trade-offs you can make with respect to, are you doing kind of classic vector-store-based semantic search and retrieval with a relatively complicated pipeline like Varun's talking about with Windsurf?
Or...
just good old kind of agentic search with basic file tools.
I will note, I actually did a benchmark on this myself.
I think there's a shared blog post somewhere.
I'll bring it up right now.
Yep.
I actually looked at this a bit myself.
This was a while ago, but I compared three different ways of
to do retrieval on all Landgraf documentation for a set of 20 coding questions related to Landgraf.
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