Laura Elorza

And that's a big eye opening insight for a lot of people.

It's like, oh, I've been wired and I think that I am the mistake.

And maybe what I'm seeking for when I feel that shame is just connection.

That's how I get out of that shame spiral.

While with guilt, it's okay.

How can I act differently?

So that's a main thing that we talk about because sometimes it's used interchangeably and it's not.

A lot.

A lot because we are actually – we have different stages in life where we are very prone to like understand or signify things.

And one of them could be like a traumatic event.

And when I'm saying trauma, it's not like something very drastic.

It's how you understood the situation that you went through.

So everyone has traumas, right?

And understanding that you –

put that event and that you live through that event and then that you put a meaning to that event, it's big.

And that meaning could be unconscious.

You could do this wiring completely unconscious.

So it's like, oh, I don't know.

I had a situation at a party.

I was very anxious and I drank to feel comfortable.